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Ich pack das mal hier rein, auch wenn es die Rangers nur am Rande betrifft. Denn der geneigte Leser will vielleicht wissen, wo die Probleme in Schottland wirklich liegen ...
23 June 2011
Tory spokesman John Lamont in 'sectarian' school attack
The Scottish Tory justice spokesman has accused the west of Scotland school system of overseeing "state-sponsored conditioning of sectarian attitudes".
John Lamont's comments came as MSPs debated emergency laws to increase jail terms for sectarian-related behaviour connected to football.
He said segregating children in Catholic and non-denominational schools contributed to the problem.
The Catholic Church branded the comments "offensive" and "malicious".
Community Safety minister Roseanna Cunningham also attacked Mr Lamont's remarks, describing them as an "astonishing diatribe".
His comments came as MSPs backed the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Bill at its first vote.
The bill aims to stamp out abusive behaviour from football fans whether they are watching matches in a stadium, in the pub or commenting online.
The legislation, which ministers now want to see passed by the end of the year, would raise the maximum jail term from six months to five years.
It came in the wake of several high-profile football-related incidents.
These include trouble at Rangers/Celtic games and the sending of suspected bombs to Celtic manager Neil Lennon and two other high-profile supporters of the club.
Recalling his time growing up and attending a non-denominational school in Kilwinning, North Ayrshire, Mr Lamont said tensions with a local Catholic school resulted in pupils spitting and throwing stones and eggs at school buses.
The education system in this part of Scotland is effectively the state-sponsored conditioning of these sectarian attitudes”
John Lamont Tory justice spokesman
"This segregation of our young people has brought them up to believe that the two communities should be kept separate," he said.
The Tory MSP for Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire - whose party officially supports faith schools - said the education system of west central Scotland had, "produced many, if not all, of those who are responsible for the shocking behaviour which we have witnessed in recent months".
He went on: "The education system in this part of Scotland is effectively the state-sponsored conditioning of these sectarian attitudes.
"And I say this as someone who believes, as a Christian country, we should do more to promote Christian values in our young people and support religious education in schools.
"Clearly these attitudes are being entrenched at home and the wider community in these small pockets of west central Scotland."
But the Bishop of Motherwell, Rt Rev Joseph Devine, said evidence pointed to an overwhelming majority of Catholic parents, as well as many parents of other denominations, choosing to send their children to Catholic, rather than non-denominational, schools.
"The claim that Catholic schools are the cause of sectarianism is offensive and untenable," said the bishop, also president of the Catholic Education Commission.
"There has never been any evidence produced by those hostile to Catholicism to support such a malicious misrepresentation.
"Is Mr Lamont really claiming that he knows better than parents what is in the best interests of their children? Is it arrogance or ignorance on his part?
"Let him either produce the hard evidence to support such irresponsible claims or withdraw them."
Ms Cunningham, said: "After listening to John Lamont's astonishing diversion into a diatribe against Scottish education, I really do think that perhaps they (the Scottish Conservatives) need to reconsider how they are going to approach the whole issue of sectarianism in Scotland.
"Because that would suggest to me that they are reckless as to whether or not actually it gets stirred up even further."
Ein erstes Bild von Mitvereinsgründer William McBeath und einige andere Infos ...
During our research over the last few years into the Founders story we've been very fortunate to unearth some gems which have helped to enhance this incredible tale of the lads who formed Rangers Football Club back in 1872 for the world-wide Rangers support.
However, one item had remained elusive, an image/photograph of William McBeath.
Well, today that changes as we have finally found our man!
As usual with our research the ‘gems’ seem to be uncovered by chance whilst on the hunt for something else (I was on the trail of a portrait of Tom Vallance).
Article with picture
As well as William’s portrait there is a fantastic bio that not only gives us more information on his life but it also gives us an insight into the early days and formation of the club.
As you might have noticed the article has his name as MacBeth rather than the correct spelling of McBeath. The name change happened as soon as Willliam and his family moved south to Bristol (the census records for 1881 has the family name as MacBeth). We can only guess at why he changed it.
One thing that we did know about William that the article talks about was the presentation of the gold badge from the club. Here is the report from the Scottish Athletic Journal from 1884.
Scottish Athletic Jounal
It was also nice to have it confirmed that he was also an artist like his friend Tom Vallance. The following clipping has a few of his paintings he had entered in to a local art exhibition.
Fine Arts Exhibition
It’s nice to finally put a face to William and add some meat to the bones of his story.
Snatched from FF
Dann. Sometimes i wish me english won't be a piece of crap.Ved du ikke hvem jeg er, Du kan ikke dræbe mig, Ved du ikke hvem jeg er, Jeg er Ivar the boneless , du kan ikke dræbe mig!!
Von D'Artagnan auf Gersnet gepostet:
Have a read of this - the author regretfully does not wish his identity revealed.
When the furore broke over the issue of the Rangers support singing its anthem The Billy Boys, there were plenty of well-founded suspicions among those of a Royal Blue persuasion that UEFA, in imposing a ban on the song, had been duped by those in Scotland peddling a revisionist take on history and presenting a false representation of reality, choosing to twist expressions of belief by others into anti-Catholic bigotry such as Graham Spiers on BBC telling the audience quite specifically that "******" meant "Catholic" in the minds of those who sang the song. The ****** movement, which was born in Ireland in the mid 19th Century sought to achieve Irish independence from Britain and the name was and is used regularly by those who desire to see a united Ireland by fair means or foul. This is an aspect which will be referred to at a later point in this essay.
Protestant institutions in Scotland have been severely criticised in recent years; some, like the Church of Scotland, have chosen to respond to this by apologising almost regularly for events of the past; the Orange Order has tried to be accommodating but still ends up the victim of smears and ridicule; while Rangers FC, with their history of being a focal point of the country's Protestants, have floundered, not knowing how to contextualise their identity and preferring to just not mention the issue at all. All of this means that the history and identity of Protestant Scotland is denied a voice. What this chapter aims to do, therefore, is to examine what is nowadays claimed to have been anti-Catholicism that was prevalent in Scottish society in years gone past; and to specifically look at the relationship between the Scottish people and the strain of Irish republicanism that grew in Scotland in the late 19th / early 20th Century.
Protestants and Catholics in Ireland alike were affected by the Potato Famine in the middle of the 19th Century and many of either persuasion sought refuge in other countries, Scotland being one of them. Scotland, apart from a few pockets of Catholics in the north-east and Western Isles was an almost entirely Protestant country. However, the number of Catholics and Irish Nationalists grew markedly in number in Glasgow especially after the influx from Ireland. However, despite claims to the contrary, the Catholics moving into Scotland were not as persecuted as some would have us believe. Chapels were built and attended regularly and priests were often seen in Glasgow walking the streets in their full regalia with little or no account of harassment; indeed, the strongest form of protest appears to have been a few letters sent to Glasgow newspapers bemoaning the fact that a visitor to Scotland might form the impression that such a sight meant Catholics were in the majority in the country. Of course, it would be inaccurate to claim that relations between the indigenous Protestants and incoming Catholics were perfect but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the newcomers were not subject to instant hostility and harassment from a people who at the time were still almost entirely Protestant.
The rivalry between Rangers and Celtic in the early days was not as bitter or pronounced as it was to become. Indeed, after Rangers won the Scottish Cup for the first time in 1894 the Celtic hierarchy expressed satisfaction that Rangers had triumphed at last. Scottish society, however, was dividing sharply with numerous instances of violence surrounding the religious and political parades that were taking place. In one particular instance, an Irish Home Rule parade that took place in Glasgow in the 1890s culminated in a 16 year old Scottish Protestant being shot by one of the participants in the demonstration. An event such as this could only widen the hostility that the indigenous Protestant population would feel towards a militant, hostile element that was gaining strength in their own country. As will be seen further on in this essay, this was far from the last time violent acts were committed on the streets of Scotland in the name of Irish republicanism and the argument here is that hostility to such activity was natural given the seriousness and potential for damage to the country that could be inflicted by malcontents. Therefore, rather than accept the view that the Scots of the time were anti-Catholic to any great degree, the crux of this argument is that the divide in Scottish society was caused by violent Irish Republicanism being visited upon the indigenous population by those who sought to further the political aims of Ireland.
The issue of World War One and doing one's duty was an evidently emotional one in Scotland in the immediate period after the war broke out. By January 1916, over 400,000 Scots had directly enlisted in the British Army. This represented a massive part of the Scottish population, perhaps 10% in all. It can therefore be argued that such a sacrifice by such a small country in the cause of duty permeated its way into everyday life, with everybody expected to do their bit for King and Country. What it also meant – completely understandably – was that those perceived not to be doing their duty were regarded with suspicion which evolved into hostility. This can be shown to be more than supposition when one considers the narrative of John Buchan's Mr Standfast where a Glasgow man is depicted at showing hostility to immigrant Irish taking the jobs vacated by those who had gone to fight in the trenches.
"Aye, the Irish", cried the old Border radical. "Glasgow' stinking with two things nowadays, money and the Irish. I mind the day when I followed Mr Gladstone's Home Rule policy, and used to threep about the noble, generous warm-hearted sister nation held in bondage. My God, I'm not speaking about Ulster which is a dour, ill-natured den but our own folk all the same. But the men that will not do a hand's turn to help the war and take the chance of our necessities to set up a bawbee rebellion are hateful to God and man. We treated them like pet lambs and that's the thanks we get. They're coming over here in their thousands to take the jobs of lads that are doing their duty. I was speaking last week to a widow woman that keeps a wee dairy down the Dalmarnock Road. She has two sons and both in the army, one in the Cameronians and one a prisoner in Germany. She was telling me that she could not keep going any more, lacking the help of her boys though she had worked her fingers to the bone. "Surely it's a cruel job, Mr Amos", she says, that the Government should take both my ladies and I'll maybe never see them again and let the Irish run free and take the bread from our mouth. At the gasworks across the road they took on a hundred Irish last week and every one of them as young and as well set as you would like to see…."
Scottish attitudes of the time can be further expanded upon with the deployment of another Scottish Protestant character in the same book who referred to the Ulster-Scots as 'our ain people'. While Buchan's book was published after the war, it is contended here that it is not unreasonable to associate the views therein with the thoughts of 1916 Scottish society. This theory is given further strength when one considers the case of a conscientious objector of the period that was held on March 22nd 1916. One of the defendants was one who described himself as an Irishman and who claimed to believe in militarism but failed to recognise the war's validity to him, given the country he pledged allegiance to. The response of one of the judges at the hearing, Baillie Irwin, is very revealing with regard to the reason anti-Irish republicanism began to develop in Scotland. Irwin, on the panel's rejection of the plea to be excused military service, was to tell the defendant that he was 'a man prepared to fight for Ireland but live off Scotland'. This can be linked to the feeling that was reported on in Glasgow that were Ireland to achieve Home Rule then the country would become a haven for hostile foreign armies and would be therefore a threat to Britain's national security.
This, therefore, represents how a sense of injustice began to rise in Protestant Scottish society. While large numbers of Scots were fighting and dying at the front, the Irish element were perceived as shirking in their duty and were a subversive element and a danger to the war effort. While thousands of Scots had volunteered for military service for King and Country, the Irish politicians and people were doing their level best to undermine the war effort. At the time there were major discussions in Parliament with regard to the war effort being put in in Ireland. Irish nationalists in Parliament in fact went as far as to vote against the Conscription Bill in 1916, claiming they were opposed to the principle of compulsion. While this objection was later withdrawn, it is not difficult to see why they would be regarded as a danger to the war effort, especially with regard to later events which will be related further on in this article. With regard to the Irish contribution to the war, it is apposite to relate the numbers of soldiers that had enlisted from Ireland. By 1916 approximately 92,000 had enlisted: 47,760 from Ulster; 27,000 from Leinster; 14,000 from Munster; and 3,500 from Connaught. The figures are revealing in a number of ways. It does perhaps show that the Irish War effort was more than was generally perceived in Scotland of the time. However, with almost 50% coming from Ulster where Protestants predominated it is not difficult to see why the bond between Scotland and Ulster - referred to by Buchan – was as strong as it was. Indeed, one of the most prominent historians of the time, James MacKinnon, noted in his magisterial study of the 1707 Act of Union that the thousands of Scots who migrated to Ulster in the 17th Century 'by their thrift and energy, contributed to the prosperity of modern Ulster' further strengthening the argument that the bond between the two countries was a predominant factor in Scottish life at that particular period and not, as it is nowadays, either written off or dismissed as bigotry.
Collectively, it cannot be legitimately argued that little, if any, contribution to the war effort was coming from Ireland. Instead, it is contended that anti-Irishness was not a major factor of Scottish society; but that anti-republicanism was, and rightly so given the methods used by those of that nature to further their aims. In essence, it is argued here that what is written off today as nothing other than tribal anti-Catholicism is anything but; instead, it is merely a continuation of a legitimate reaction in Scotland to migrants in the early part of the last century showing nothing but hostility to the country that provided them with a living and who, moreover, were prepared to visit violence on that country for the benefit of another. Submitted, therefore, is the argument that anti-******ism was a natural political thought for Scots to adopt given the circumstances in which violent Irish republicanism was brought to the streets of Scotland.
The instances of Irish republicanism manifesting themselves in Scotland after World War One are many and varied and serves to underline the argument of this chapter that a hostile indigenous reaction to it was not only understandable but natural given the sacrifice the country had to make. It is further more argued that the evidence of the time is adequate to claim that given what the country had suffered during 1914 – 1918, the population of the time were far from being anti-Catholic bigots in deploring what was taking place in the streets of their town; but were simply exhibiting a very natural reaction to an organisation that was simultaneously showing hostility to Scotland while at the same time showing links with the power that so many Scottish lives were lost fighting against.
There were suspicions in Britain that Germany was involved to an extent in the 1916 putsch in Ireland. Indeed, it was reported 3 years after the war had ended that an IRA man by the name of John Devoy had sent a telegram to Germany stating German help was expected as soon as the putsch was enacted. These were strengthened by reports in Glasgow's Evening Times of the period noting that posters entitled 'Why Germany Wants Ireland' had appeared in Dublin stating why exactly Ireland would benefit from Britain's enemy. With instances such as this taking place during the carnage of WW1, it is not surprising nor inconceivable that memories of them would outlast the war and would play a part in forming attitudes once the fighting in Europe had ended. That, therefore, can explain to a great extent why anti-Home Rule activity was evident in Scottish politics during that period, with many opposing it including John Ure Primrose, a leading figure in the Liberal Unionist party and the Chairman of Rangers.
With the country still coming to terms with the effects of the Great War, and with memories fresh in the minds of the people of an enemy closer to home, it is far from improbable that the hostility to a malignant influence that had served to undermine the effort and sacrifice was revitalised with the instances of Irish republicanism that were reported on frequently in the Scottish media. These reports appeared – particularly in the early part of the 1920s – almost on a daily basis and a number are presented here as evidence that the presence of armed, violent subversives were an ever-present in the lives of the Scot of the time and have much to do with the forming of the contemporary attitudes.
In 1919 the Irish War of Independence broke out and was followed by the Irish Civil War following partition in the early 1920s. The detail of affairs in Ireland is not important to this essay but rather how it affected Scotland. What became quickly evident was that Scotland as a country was in danger of within its towns and cities having atrocities being committed in the name of an organisation / ideology that had shown itself to be willing to work subserviently to the country many blamed for the outbreak of the 1914 – 1918 conflagration. It became evident there was a substantial and malignant influence trying to subvert the Scottish way of life within the Scottish community and, again, a hostile reaction to that is not only understandable but completely supportable, even from a perspective nearly a century on. The media were routinely reporting on Irish nationalist subversion, details of which are noted below, and therefore this is used to substantiate our argument that there was a marked difference between the attitude of the Scottish people to the big influx of Irish Catholics to that of the emergence of militant, violent Irish Nationalism and therefore, social phenomena of the time has been twisted in this day and age by revisionists with a definite agenda to subvert the truth.
While it is not possible to note each and every instance of Irish Nationalist terrorism reported on in 1920s Scotland, it is apposite to note a few examples to show what the people of Scotland had to contend with.
In February 1921, 9 detonators along with Sinn Fein propaganda and membership details were found in a house in Cambuslang. (Sinn Fein, incidentally, had over 80 active branches in Scotland during this period and reports had surfaced in the Scottish media of a note from Sinn Fein in Dublin being sent to the Kaiser requesting that 'after he had freed the suppressed nations in the east, would turn his attention to Ireland.)
Shortly after, 16 people went on trial in the High Court in Edinburgh accused of being part of a Sinn Fein conspiracy. 9 were subsequently given jail sentences.
In March 1921, two men who were subsequently found to be members of Sinn Fein were arrested over suspicion of a conspiracy to blow up a railway bridge at Eastfield near Rutherglen.
Banba Hall in Maryhill was raided by police in 1923 and 20 men were arrested in relation to guns and ammunition found there which were later found to be shipped to Ireland.
Further on in the decade, it was reported that an armed battalion of Irish Nationalists were undergoing military training in the Campsie Fells and, furthermore, had attended Mass at a local chapel in full military regalia.
In the middle of all this, in January 1922, the Irish Race Congress was held in Paris and was addressed by a Mr Sheehan from Scotland. His delivery to the congress included the statement that the 250,000 Irish [Catholics] in Scotland do not accept British nationality but are only temporarily resident in a country that was waging war against them.
The above examples, while not by any stretch of the imagination being exhaustive, serve to underline what was facing the Scottish people at the time. It can therefore be legitimately argued that the anti-******ism that was to manifest itself on the terraces of Ibrox Park was not, as some would have us believe in this day and age, anti-Catholic bigotry; but was in fact a legitimate resistance by a people who saw an alien presence doing their utmost to destroy the indigenous way of life.
Having outlined the emergence of a violent, foreign menace on Scotland's streets, it is time to place all this in the context of the Rangers – Celtic rivalry and to counter some modern day myths and propaganda. Rangers, contrary to a ludicrous claim in the Evening Times of 1990, were not formed by brothers who wanted to make money out of selling replica football strips, but were formed by four teenagers who had taken an interest in the new game of football they had seen. Despite having no ball, pitch, or facilities of their own, they trained on Glasgow Green – where their first games were played – and gradually developed into one of the primary clubs in the land. Through time, in the words of Moses McNeil in an interview he gave in 1935, their fame became known worldwide. There is a contention to be made that the history of Rangers Football Club is the greatest rags to riches story in the world of sport. The Club's links with Protestantism throw up a number of debating points, primarily the topic of why Rangers emerged as the team identified with the dominant religion of the country. This is something that will be explored at a later stage although it is fair to say that Rangers were not founded to be a representative team of the Protestant church but were adopted by those of the country's religion as their standard bearers in the world of sport. Celtic, on the other hand, had religious links from day one, founded by a priest and with definite links to the Catholic church.
As has been noted, a rivalry of sorts existed between the two teams in the early days but not of the nature that is known today. Instead, that element of the rivalry can be suggested to have deepened as events involving Ireland began to impact more and more on Scottish society. There is a school of thought that Rangers 'became' a Protestant club after a perceived influx of Ulster Orangemen into the Govan shipyards in the 1920s. However, it cannot be stressed too strongly that this is mere speculation and that there is little or no evidence to back this up. The contention of this article is that Rangers had been adopted by the Protestants of Glasgow in particular long before World War One broke out and that it was not as a reaction to Celtic's Catholicism.
When Rangers were founded in 1872 the country was run on strictly Protestant lines. Of that there can be little argument. Church attendance and membership was of a far higher level than it is in modern times. Reverence of the Covenanters was a feature of Scottish life with many people, as a tribute to their ancestors who were persecuted and killed for their religion, taking worship in the open up on the hills. With that sort of backdrop it is perhaps not surprising that a Club that was formed within the new sport of football became adopted by the followers of the main religion in the country.
Rangers' initial early years can be used as an argument that they were the natural team to develop into the standard bearers of the country's Protestants. They were young men who worked hard, respected the Sabbath and were quite prepared to stand up for what they believed in, such as having the courage of their convictions to the extent they refused to participate in the 1879 Scottish Cup Final replay on a point of principle. It is contended here that these examples would have appealed to the Protestants of the country because of the Protestant work ethic and the inherent instinct in Protestants to take authority on if they believe it is the proper thing to do rather than indulge in blind subservience. Therefore, it is contended – but not stated as fact – that the entire scenario surrounding Rangers' foundation would have made them the natural choice to be representatives of the country's Protestants.
Rangers' popularity was spreading away from their immediate catchment area within years of them being founded and especially after their move to the Ibrox / Kinning Park area in 1876. Football specials were run to Rangers games in Edinburgh, for example, in the 1890s and in the early years of the last Century, football specials were run to Rangers home games from other areas of Glasgow and Lanarkshire. It is this development that we would contend shows that Rangers had become the favourites of a sizeable number of Protestants who had a number of other Clubs to choose from. In 1908, for example, football specials to Rangers games were advertised to leave from Bridgeton and Rutherglen stations. Both of these areas have strong links to Protestant history – Rutherglen with its strong Covenanting heritage and Bridgeton a place with stong links to Ulster and a place where large numbers of Protestant textile workers from Scotland's south west settled - and while it is impossible to know the religion of those who travelled on the trains to Rangers the fact that there was enough interest in Rangers in areas where the population was overwhelmingly Protestant to make special trains viable means it is not out of the realms of reality to suggest that Rangers were seen as the team for the Protestants at the turn of the century.
With that being our argument, it is appropriate to look at the rivalry with Celtic in that context. Celtic had links with Irish Republicanism from inception with Michael Davitt, a prominent republican, planting the kick-off spot at Parkhead. As has been documented, Irish Republicanism and support for Home Rule had produced violence in Scotland as far back as the 1890s and with Celtic seen as the Irish Club it was natural that they would invoke hostility among their Protestant opponents. It is contended here that Rangers and Celtic, while being seen as the Clubs of Protestants and Catholics respectively in the early days, did not have the enmity we know today until after World War One and, furthermore, is because of Celtic's links with Irish militancy.
As has been argued, Rangers' identity as the Protestant Club goes back further than the 1920s; however it is no coincidence that the violence and deep divide between the supporters two Clubs has its roots in this era given Celtic's identity and the hostility to the Irish involvement – perceived or otherwise – in World War One. Therefore, it is far from surprising that the song that had the chattering classes in Scotland up in arms recently has its roots in this period and at Ibrox, home of the team adopted by Scottish Protestants who had pride in King and Country. The song, it is argued here, was not about anti-Catholicism but about anti-******ism, a concept that developed due to a deep resentment of the violent activities carried out by followers of that philosophy and bringing terror to the streets, towns and cities of Scotland.
That, therefore, is an argument that covers the background to the song of the Rangers supporters which was banned recently. As has been contended in this essay, its roots are not in anti-Catholicism but are in opposition to an alien menace that was attempting to subvert Scottish society. Celtic through the years have maintained their links with this philosophy, with Celtic fans openly engaging in support for the murderous actions of the IRA from the 1920s down through the remaining decades of the twentieth Century and right through the Troubles from the 1970s to the 1990s. It should be no surprise to anybody that the song The Billy Boys was the anthem of the Rangers support as it expressed opposition to the groups carrying out these deeds. In the past 20 years, Rangers have had more Catholics playing for them than at any other time in their history, some of them like Jorg Albertz and Neil McCann proving themselves to be favourites among large sections of the Rangers support. The argument that the Rangers fans were expressing a wish to see everybody of that religion dead by means of a song is as ludicrous as it is false. However, given we live in an age of immaturity in Scotland in 2008 then reasoned debate on what the song actually meant and how it came to exist is stifled as it does not sit well with those who feel comfortable among those who know and celebrate what the song opposes. This article seeks to redress the balance and give a fairer hearing to the founders of Rangers, the early Rangers supporters and their modern-day counterparts and their identity, culture and beliefs than has been afforded them in recent times.
Man kann das in der Waterford News & Star lesen, einer irischen Zeitung. Mal sehen, wann es Schottland erreicht. Ich tippe 2057 ...
Gazza: IRA threatened to kill me
Friday, June 12, 2015
By William O'Toole
Paul Gascoigne has said that he received death threats in the aftermath of the 1998 Old Firm Derby between Rangers and Celtic after he mimicked a flute player in an Orange Order band.
The troubled former footballer got into hot water when he impersonated a flautist playing 'The Sash' in 1998 while playing for Rangers against Celtic. The Scottish FA fined him £40,000 after the incident.
However, in an interview with the BBC's Stephen Nolan, Gascoigne revealed that the IRA threatened to kill him after the incident.
"The Celtic fans were harassing us and so I did The Sash thing... and then I got the letter from the IRA threatening to kill us."
Gazza admitted that at the time he didn't realize how serious the incident was and didn't realise that it would cause offense.
Gascoigne then received a letter claiming to be from paramilitaries and only then did he realise how serious it was.
The letter read : "Hi Gazza, I've seen what you done... if you do that again I'll kill you'."
Members of the CIA later told Gascoigne that the threats made against him were genuine.
"The CIA men came back and said he is IRA, he's gonna kill you Paul," said the former footballer.
"They showed us how to look under my cars for bombs and the copper says be careful with the mail you open because it could explode."
Gascoigne was speaking to Nolan on a promotional tour for a documentary about his life called 'Gascoigne'.
The Geordie also revealed that, at the moment, he is winning his battle with alcohol.
"I'm feeling good, as long as I stay like this but, no, things have been good over the last few months, to be fair."
Eine Scansammlung von unserem Spiel damals im neutralen Malmö gegen ASK Vorwärts Berlin ...
Ein Beitrag zu den verschiedenen Trainingsmethoden seit dem 2. Weltkrieg, inklusive einem Photo von unseren Jungs in den Gullane Sands ...
Once upon a time ... als die Welt noch jung war:
Gers monitor Messi
By Mark Buckingham
Rangers are hoping to sign Argentinian prodigy Leo Messi on loan from Barcelona.
Messi was the star of the recent Fifa World Youth Championship in Holland as he helped Argentina beat Nigeria in the final.
The teenager is tipped for greatness but reports suggest that, before he makes his name at Camp Nou, he will gain experience in Glasgow with Rangers.
Speculation suggests that Rangers boss Alex McLeish is aiming to strike a deal to take Messi to Ibrox on a season-long loan.
The capture of such a mercurial young talent would be a major coup for The Gers but it remains to be seen if McLeish can tempt the attacker to the SPL.
He was recently rewarded for his progress at Barcelona with a new contract which ties him to the club until 2010, while his buy-out clause stands at a mind-boggling ‚é¼150 million.
Messi has also been promoted to the Barca first team from the B team, while the club's sporting director Txiki Beguiristain has ruled out a move for the 18-year-old.
Beguiristain feels the Argentine ace will have a role to play at Camp Nou next season after making his debut last term.
Coach Frank Rijkaard is currently assessing how much involvement Messi will play in the new campaign and could sanction a switch to Rangers if it will benefit his career.
Rangers, The Rangers oder Glasgow Rangers
Eine Frage, die ab und an die Gemüter beschäftigt. Wir können mal vermuten, daß die Gründe vielfältig sind, generell sind wir in GB und bei der UEFA als Rangers bzw. Rangers FC bekannt, in Europa meist als Glasgow Rangers.
Schon sehr früh fügte man das Glasgow aber auch schon in Schottland hinzu, weil es zu jenem Zeitpunkt einfach zu viele Teams mit gleichem Namen gab. Der wohl früheste Fnd ist dieser hier:
This is the earliest I have for us being called Glasgow Rangers if from the Daily Record on the 5th Jan 1874 in a match report for our match against the wonderfully named Garelochhead Dollopers.
Quotes by some Rangers folk ...
1. Mr Struths "Let the others come after us, we welcome the chase"
2. the wives of celtic fans used to send me letters thanking me for sending their husbands home early --- Jim Baxter
3. When Rangers come knocking, you dont turn things like that down." Neil Alexander
4. Ive played for some big clubs but Rangers is a proper football club ------Graeme Souness
5. My only regret was coming too late and leaving too early. Mark Hateley
6. Jimmy Millar (1955-67; 317games 162goals) quote "When a chap loses his heart to an ideal, there's no going back. It grows and grows within him, growing stronger as the years slip past. That is why, when people ask: "Would you rather play centre than in the half-back line?" my answer comes off my lips as though from a tape recorder: "I don't care where I play so long as I wear the Rangers colours."
7. 'The Spanish police did what was natural to them. The Rangers fans did what came naturally to them and charged.' Big Jock Wallace on the pitch invasion in Barcalona
8. Bobby Shearer: 'How you feeling son' Young player making his debut: 'I'm a bit worried Mr Shearer'. Bobby Shearer: 'When you pull on a Rangers jersey it's them who'll be worried'.
9. 'Sorry, Mr Chairman, but this is the earliest I have been late for some time.' Coisty who was famous for bein late, to SDM who was waitin for him at the front door
10. 'I always said that the team who drinks together, wins together.' Richard Gough.
11. Pele on Jim Baxter: "I wish he had been Brazilian." 12. 'I still think about those people every single day of my life.' John Greig on the fans who died in the disaster.
13. Ian Ferguson: "I only ever have a drink when we win a trophy. That's why people think I'm an alcoholic."
14. 'I played for the team I loved' - Davie Cooper
15. for every fiver celtic spend, we will spend a tenner. - Sir David Murray
16. Hateley on returning for his second spell, Reporter at Glasgow airport - 'How do you feel about coming back Mark?' "I'm not coming back - I'm coming Home" 17. The Goalie against Marseille in France when asked if he was nervous,........"Pub Team"
18. "My kind of manager...he didn't go over the top tactically, he knew my ability on the ball and let me go out and play my natural game." Davie Cooper on Jock Wallace
19. "I do feel a little bit frustrated that these good and exciting times at Ibrox have come a little too late for me. But against that frustration is the realism that I have enjoyed a marvelous career that others would give their right arm for so I can't be greedy." Davie Cooper
20. "I hated leaving Rangers, but I wanted to go somewhere where I could keep playing." Davie Cooper
21. "What do I like about Rangers?i like winning"-Mark Hateley
22. I would do those 2 years over and over again for the rest of my life" - Paul Gascoigne
23. "Glasgow Rangers.. God I loved playing for them" - Gazza again
24. "FTP" - Bob Malcolm
25. "I'll play for Rangers as long as I can, then spend the rest of my life being depressed" - Super Ally
26. "£4 million? That's an awful lot of money for a sub" - Mark Hately on Duncan Ferguson
27. " At Rangers you are never more than 2 defeats away from a crisis! "Walter Smith
28. "Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. No matter the days of anxiety that come our way, we shall emerge stronger because of the trials to be overcome." - Bill Struth
29. After beating Celtic 3-2 in a Cup Final. TV Reporter : 'As you went into extra-time were you confident' ? Jock Wallace : 'I was confident before it started, son' 30. "when i play, i am like a soldier going into battle. my team mates are my commrades.we will never give up, no matter the opposition" - Dado Prso
31. 'Police officer: ''Mr McCoist, do you have a police record.'' Ian Durrant: ''Walkin On The Moon' . .'' ' From wee Durrants autobiography.
32. 'You can put on my gravestone that Andy Goram broke my heart.' Tommy Burns.
33. 'It was a fantastic achievement, made even more special by the fact it was won at Parkhead.' Donald Findlay on Rangers winning the Treble at our rivals' ground!
34. "the helicopter is changing direction" - Helicopter Sunday
35. "I hope to be here so long they have to kick me out!" - Andy Goram
36. "From now on their must be No Surrender!" - Stefan Klos 37. "Rangers like the big strong powerful fellows, with a bit of strength and solidity in the tackle, rather than the frivolous, quick moving stylists like Jimmy Johnstone, small, tiptoe-throughs the tulips type of players who excite people." - Willie Waddell, Rangers manager 1972
38. 'Rangers have treated me so well, the fans have become like a family to me. 'No matter how much money was put in front of me, I would never sign for Celtic.' - Nacho Novo
39. "Celtic could offer me all the money in the world, I'd never play for them, I simply wouldn't do that to Rangers, my fans and to myself"---Rangers legend Jörg Albertz
40. "In Scotland, I have to say I'm more fond of Glasgow Rangers - not Celtc - and there is a great player who played for them , and who is still alive today, Willie Henderson, I met up with him recently when Benfica played Celtc again" - Eusébio da Silva Ferreira
41. "See you next year" - Dick Advocaat on his winning acceptance speech at the Manager of the Year Awards.
Some quotes from opposition players on the Ibrox Atmosphere
Didier Drogba (Chelsea) "All I can say when I try to imagine what it will be like at Ibrox is Ooh la la!' I played against Rangers at Ibrox with Chelsea in the summer and we lost 2-0, I have told Perrin that the atmosphere at Ibrox is absolutely magical. To my way of appreciating football, its truly really beautiful. That's how to support your team!" Drogba goes on "Lyon played at Celtic a couple of seasons ago but Ibrox will be completely different!"
Thierry Henry (FC Barcelona) "I know the atmosphere that's generated here and that makes it tough for any team. I thought the fans were unbelievable again. "They were not swearing or shouting stupid things, they pushed their team forward and that's great to see."
Frank Lampard (Chelsea) "The Rangers fans were awesome, all the lads were talking about it," said Lampard. "The reception I got when I went to take corners during the game, and after when we were going off, was really nice. "They certainly love their own team, but it was very special to get that welcome. It was amazing really, and a very good game to play in for us, certainly the best friendly we've had. "With that kind of backing from their crowd, they will be hard to beat. And I expect to see Rangers in the Champions League.
Hernan Crespo (AC Milan) "I've played at Ibrox --the atmosphere in Scottish stadiums is sensational."
Lionel Letizi (PSG) "I'd been told about the incredible atmosphere but could not believe how loud it was. "When we arrived and walked out on to the pitch, the stadium was empty because we were early. "We went back inside to change and when we walked into the tunnel we could hear a rumbling noise. "And when we went back on to the pitch I could not believe my ears. The sound was terrifying and the game had not even started yet. "I then had to walk to my goal and when the referee blew his whistle to start the match the sound which came from the stand at my back almost knocked me over. "It was amazing and I am really looking forward to experiencing this again - as a Rangers player."
Henning Berg (When at Rangers) "The atmosphere was better than anything I experienced at Old Trafford, even better than playing Juventus there. I will never forget this night.
Dado Prso (Monaco) "The atmosphere was incomparable, and I had goosebumps throughout the match," he said of the 2-2 draw, despite spending the first 56 minutes on the bench. Since then, I have never experienced anything as intense in any of the other European stadia I've played football in. Rangers are the club I needed to join. They are a club in my own image, and their ambitions are on the same level as my own."
Gary Neville (Manchester United) "This was the loudest atmosphere that I have known, compared to any English ground away from home. "There have been certain nights at Old Trafford in European games - the ones against Juventus comes to mind - when the atmosphere was incredible. "But this was definitely up there with the best. It was fantastic. "When we came out at the start I was looking around me and I saw people in the directors' box jumping up singing and I was wondering what was happening. It is not usually like that. "The crowd beating us was never going to happen - but thank goodness they didn't score."
Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United) "I'll never forget that night we played there. The atmosphere was unbelievable, very hostile. Villarreal will think they've experienced a lot of good atmospheres but I really think the Rangers support could startle them.
Marcos Senna (Villarreal) "Usually players don't even hear supporters when we play but it was impossible to ignore the crowd in Glasgow. "When they scored, the noise was amazing, incredible. It was a very beautiful spectacle. "I could almost say I was not totally sad when they scored - that crowd deserved it. "It seems there will be 6000 Rangers fans here but only 4000 will get into the stadium. Well, it's going to be noisy inside and out. "Their fans are great and it will help them but it was a lot noisier at Ibrox than it will be at our ground. The Madrigal fans support us a lot but in a different way."
Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona) "It is not just made up that players can suffer from an intimidating atmosphere when they play at visiting grounds. "I know from Ruud (Ruud van Nistelrooy) that when we beat PSV at Ibrox in the Champions League he thought it was very frightening. He said it was one of the most atmospheric matches he had ever experienced - and now he has to face it again. For him to come back to Ibrox it will be the same experience. "I know that Manchester United's players face all the biggest games and full stadiums everywhere, but I think most of them will find this Wednesday night at Ibrox a really different atmosphere. "I've played in England and I don't think that any stadium in the Premiership can compare with Ibrox for its intimidating atmosphere - it is far above them."
The Glasgow Smile by Allan Brown
I was thumbing through the following book in the librarythis morning, whilst killing a half hour or so; ‘The Glasgow Smile’by Allan Brown. It starts with a nod to Tom Shield’s Diary in TheHerald. I’m not liking this was my first thought.
Anyway, Iflicked through it looking for references to the teddies. Therewasn’t much but I did notice the author making mention that we wereGlasgow’s major football club. That’s a bit more like it.
ThenI came across the following two wee references;
1 – CastleGreyskull aka Ibrox Stadium (football ground) ‘Dismissive epithetby which opposition supporters refer to Ibrox Stadium, home ground ofRangers FC, the first British side to reach a UEFA club final and themost decorated team in world football history. The reference derivesfrom the 1980s Masters of the Universe, though its precise relevanceremains obscure.
2 – The Glitterdome aka Celtic Park(football ground) Derogatory epithet used particularly by supportersof Rangers FC, referring to the home of Celtic FC, Glasgow’s secondmajor football team. The name alludes to the Torbett controversy ofthe 1990s, when Jim Torbett, manager of Celtic Boys Club wasimprisoned for indecent conduct relating to three of the team’syoung players. Conflating this episode with the fate of Gary Glitter,the 1970s pop performer later jailed for underage sex offences, thenickname seeks to inflame the opposition’s understandableembarrassment regarding the matter. Inter alia; The Paedodrome, thecesspit, the piggery and Torbett Towers.
It's a wonder thedescriptions of the cesspit actually made it into print?
Sami Khedira says Rangers’ Ibrox has best atmosphere in football
BEST IN THE WORLD Juventus and Germany star Sami Khedira says Rangers’ Ibrox has best atmosphere in football
The German midfielder has won the highest honours in the game and has collected 69 caps for the World Champions
GERMAN World Cup and Champions League winner Sami Khedira has revealed the best atmosphere he’s ever experienced in football was in Glasgow.
But it wasn’t during one of Celtic‘s famous Champions League nights…it was at Ibrox.
The Juventus star has won the highest honours in the game and has collected 69 caps for the World Champions.
Khedira has won the Bundesliga with Stuttgart, La Liga with Real Madrid and Serie A with Juventus, as well as being instrumental in Germany’s World Cup win in Brazil three years ago.
But he maintains the best atmosphere he has ever experienced was in his Champions League debut – a match against Rangers ten years ago.
Khedira started at Ibrox, before being replaced by Yıldıray Basturk. But Walter Smith’s men came from behind to win 2-1 thanks to goals from Charlie Adam and Jean Claude Darcheville, which cancelled out a Mario Gomez opener.
And that game made a lasting impression on Khedira.
He said: “I was still young and didn’t know what to expect.
“I knew all about the atmosphere in the Bundesliga, but not the Champions League. It was a totally different level.
“My first game was away at Glasgow Rangers and it was phenomenal.
“To this day it was the game with the most impressive atmosphere I have ever experienced.
“I immediately thought…’this is very special indeed.’
“It had a unique atmosphere, you feel like the whole world is watching and I have loved the competition ever since.”
From FF forum.followfollow.com/showthr…-in-football-(202-Viewing)
Direkt von Gersnet:
Zur Erinnerung, wie es um uns derzeit (Stand 2017) bestellt ist und warum man mal nich teben 10 oder 20m einwerfen kann.
A pint of the cold, hard truth
17 January 2017
A belated Happy New Year to you all. I wish to start by saying how immensely proud I am of our support. First of all in the efforts for our Joey Garner Xmas Number 1 campaign, which was a barrow load of fun. And for the way in which our support conducted themselves in Germany. 8000 Bears in freezing conditions travelling to back the team. Incredible!
[/quote]Now down to the main thrust of this article, which comes again following the mischievous efforts the Scottish media with various stories over the last few weeks being unworthy of wrapping your chips in. I genuinely find it incredible that these so-called journalists can run such stories when the facts are out there which diminish the need for their hyperbolic headlines.
In a prior article for this website I pointed out many of the same issues with Keith Jackson’s stories, but yet they continue, intent in provoking discontent within sections of our support who have either no interest in the Company running the Club's current financial state, or they do not understand how it works.
The first issue which I wish to clarify is the difference in the Company running the Club now compared to the sugar daddy days of David Murray. Our former owner was a majority holder of the former Limited Company, therefore his say was final, and he had full control over any investment he made in the Club.
Nowadays, Dave King is the Chairman of the PLC board, a Public Company, in which King owns 14.57% within his family trust (New Oasis Investments). Far from a majority holding, King has a fiduciary duty to the Company's shareholders. As such, in many ways, his hands are tied from taking any risks for the Company. Negligence of which could see him voted against re-election from the institutional stakeholders or as extreme as a Director ban for any grossly negligent acts; such as lumbering the Company with unsustainable debt. Therefore King and the board must find the balancing act of what is best for the Club’s fans, and its stakeholders.
I'd also like to draw your attention to the UEFA Financial Fair Play Rules which you can view here. The purposes of introducing these rules were to stop Clubs from piling up debt to chase glory with money they simply did not have. The rules enforce spend on transfer fees, and other spend which gains on-park advantage, but it does not consider any debt on infrastructure, e.g. stadium or youth redevelopment.
From the UEFA webpage above:
Are clubs no longer allowed to have losses?
To be exact, clubs can spend up to €5million (Euros) more than they earn per assessment period (three years). However it can exceed this level to a certain limit, if it is entirely covered by a direct contribution/payment from the club owner(s) or a related party. This prevents the build-up of unsustainable debt.
The limits are:
[*] €45m for assessment periods 2013/14 and 2014/15.
• €30m for assessment periods 2015/16, 2016/17 and 2017/18.
[/quote]In layman's terms you can only be in debt to the tune €5million over your profit margin. Failure to meet this requirement and you can be refused a licence to play in European Competitions.
Currently we meet the criteria for a European licence on two fronts.
1. The investment so far is entirely covered by a direct contribution/payment from the club owner(s).
2. Most of the £14.5M in soft loans provided by the boards & investors has been spent on infrastructure, youth and £5m paying off a loan from Sports Direct in order to secure the return of various intellectual Property Rights and Trademarks. The purpose of which was clear to help in the fight against an alleged erroneous retail contract. But one thing not considered is whether if this loan had been outstanding, would we fall foul of UEFA FFP come the end of the season? After all, the SD loan was not a “direct contribution/payment from the club owner(s)” it was debt to a Third Party.
Furthermore, if the above regime-sanctioned investments were to change to money being put up as debt for transfer fees then that may bring us closer to Celtic in the SPFL Premiership but we could end up barred from playing in European competition. This explains why eradicating debt has been crucial to the current board since taking over.
I apologise if the next part of my article appears condescending if you already have a grasp on the Club’s finances, however this is for the benefit of those who may struggle with Company terms and understanding of same. It's also offered in the hope it opens their eyes to the current issues facing the PLC board and how mischievous people like Jackson are being with their “Where is the war-chest Dave?” narrative.
Since taking over control of the Company, the current Board of the PLC and their investors have put in £14.5m of soft loans into the PLC in order to fund the gap in lost revenues from a series series of questionable contracts - agreed by previous regime(s) for whatever reasons we shall leave to the courts to decide. No matter, when King assumed control in 2015, the PLC was haemorrhaging money. Operating losses have since been cut to £532,000 in the six months to December 31st 2015 from £4.64 million losses from December 31, 2014.
Moreover, revenues for the six months to December 2015 rose 20 per cent year on year to £11.03 million (H1 2014/15: £9.16 million). Predominantly due to a larger uptake of season tickets and gate receipts. These will rise again in the next set of interim accounts. However, the PLC is still running at a loss with a lack of retail and sponsorship monies a key factor.
The £14.5m of soft loans to the PLC has no repayment conditions; this was in exchange for unissued share equity. However there is not a great amount of equity left to give in exchange for further loans, and with the PLC still running at a loss any remaining equity must be loaned against wisely. This is why share dilution was required as per last November's AGM. Dilution waters down the available shares so a new share issue can take place, making the PLC a substantial lump sum and relieving some of the financial burden on the Company. Nevertheless, whether it is Dave King, or any other investor wishing to put money in to the PLC, they will require guarantees for their investment: be it shares or security against an asset, nobody with money will gift a Public Company money as you have very little control. Business men are rich for a reason; they don’t take such chances with their money.
Although Resolution 11 failed at the AGM, it is my opinion the Board should proceed with a new issue as early as possible with the mandate recieved by Resolution 10. However with various court cases still pending, it's not a surprise to see any investment delayed. And with Mike Ashley and others still in receipt of reasonably sized blocs then there's clearly minimal margin for error when it comes to future AGM business.
The Dave King War Chest Myth debunked
Moving onto the regularly heard debate over his supposed investment, prior to taking over as chairman King was interviewed arriving at a UK airport. King made the comment that he would be looking to invest £20-30M of his children’s inheritance, but stated this would be over a period of a few years, and he would be looking to go 50/50 with other fan investors. King also made it clear that this was for infrastructure as well as the footballing department as he commented about parts of the stadium and training ground being in disrepair and staff levels reduced to a breaking point. Indeed, after the King-led Board took over the Company he revised that figure up, stating he believe it would take nearer £50m to restore the Club.
Unfortunately, it's not the wider qualified comments that sell newspapers; instead they become fixated on a war-chest headline, used to stir up discontent within impatient fans against a board who are repairing the Company finances whilst jumping over literal legal hurdles left by the prior regime.
There is a continuous trend of lazy journalism which struggles to consider all of the above when it comes to Rangers assuming more debt. Some of King's comments may have been badly advised or premature but it's easy money for little work for struggling newspapers to bait the “Where is the money, Dave” storyline, watch for the reaction and then print that too. You won't often read that a healthy Club requires the solid foundations of a Company operating at a level it can afford. Quite simply there are no quick fixes to the PLC's budget and anyone suggesting otherwise has a short memory when it comes to the likes of HBOS, EBTs, Craig Whyte and Ticketus.
I always get a bit of stick on Twitter for being overly optimistic. I am, but you have to be, as Louis Pasteur said, “Chance favours only the prepared mind” so now I have got the doom and gloom part out of the way so I will hopefully leave you with some positive things to consider.
I believe the shirt sponsorship deal with 32 Red ends this summer - perhaps freeing up the potential for a front (and rear?) shirt sponsor. These deals can attract sizeable cash and is income we have not had for some time. In addition, we currently sit second in the league and I for one am confident we can secure Europa League and access more money from that pot. The 2017 results should also see increased TV revenue and Premiership prize pot monies. All of which we have not had access to for some time and, whilst not themselves huge sums, should help in the rebuilding of the Club and allow the PLC to live within its own means and without losses.
Finally, our focus has to be on Rangers, and not what other clubs are doing. Success will come again but only if we stand together and avoid the mischief-making, muck-raking Scottish media's attempts to divide us.
So mal als Hinweis wo man gucken kann und als Vergleich der letzten und vorletzten Saison, die Zusammenfassungen der Spielzeiten und Leistungsdaten aller eingesetzten Spieler:
Der starke Leistungsabfall gerade bei Tavernier (aber auch Wallace) machten sich eklatant bemerkbar, aber auch die fehlende Leistung aus dem Mittelfeld. Mal abgesehen von der Abschlussschwäche vorn.
Und bei Tav liegt es m.E. nicht an den besseren Gegnern, er hat diese Saison gut 7 von 10 Freistöße etc. einfach mal nicht aufs Tor bekommen, sondern nur die Zuschauer erschreckt. Und die Flanken ... nun ja, schaut auf die Statistik.
We are the People ... und zwar schon 1964 oder so, East Enclosure des Ibrox, mit einem damals sehr populären Piper ...